tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post2188056640693372917..comments2024-01-26T00:11:44.309-08:00Comments on let them eat pro-sm feminist safe spaces: This is the song that never ends...vertehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07568745576713009205noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-71099474453751897312012-09-26T01:03:26.867-07:002012-09-26T01:03:26.867-07:00Corsets are one Cheap D3 Goldthings, such as pumps...Corsets are one <a href="http://www.d3face.com/gold/" rel="nofollow">Cheap D3 Gold</a>things, such as pumps, which i only will not talk about. 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Or do one just get jaded after a while?<BR/><BR/>Now, I need a cookie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-83677073795064443502008-09-26T20:37:00.001-07:002008-09-26T20:37:00.001-07:00Yeah, Zula, but apparently a few people out there ...Yeah, Zula, but apparently a few people out there still find her inspiring.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-89038263327861393842008-09-26T20:37:00.000-07:002008-09-26T20:37:00.000-07:00Oh, Biting Beaver. She's like the poster child of ...Oh, Biting Beaver. She's like the poster child of "How Not To Be A Feminist."Zulahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08997834583399959391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-77584918862729065352008-09-26T07:33:00.000-07:002008-09-26T07:33:00.000-07:00"I can see how a bystander could see female bottom..."I can see how a bystander could see female bottoms as victims but now women have no agency? Even if they are tops, the radical feminists can't call them shitty, repugnant human beings (within their own framework). Are women so supremely weak and victimized that we can't even be villains"<BR/><BR/>Yeah, exactly. We're not human, we're like... fragile doilies. That some dude came on. That's our claim to fame: someone else's cum.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, who has the low opinion of women here? It's not us, from my perspective.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-38074090596629071202008-09-26T07:18:00.000-07:002008-09-26T07:18:00.000-07:00"We're here, we're queer, and we like topping!"Yes..."We're here, we're queer, and we like topping!"<BR/><BR/>Yes! Indeed. *misses topping girls now, 's been WAY too long since I did that*<BR/><BR/>It always totally boggles me the way feminists like this want to shoe-horn everything into M/f hetero dynamics.<BR/><BR/>If you're an F/f couple the top is acting like a man.<BR/><BR/>If you're an F/m couple you're doing what the guy wants and he's topping from the bottom, always and ever, amen.<BR/><BR/>WHAT THE FRIG.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-12782342677593590032008-09-26T06:47:00.000-07:002008-09-26T06:47:00.000-07:00I have nothing much to add (without going into, li...I have nothing much to add (without going into, like, my whole life story); just wanted to say WORD. Thanks for doing what you do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-3822658440016731662008-09-26T06:16:00.000-07:002008-09-26T06:16:00.000-07:00Oh jesus this makes me even more angry than the us...Oh jesus this makes me even more angry than the usual strain of stripping agency from women. I can see how a bystander could see female bottoms as victims but now women have no agency? Even if they are tops, the radical feminists can't call them shitty, repugnant human beings (within their own framework). Are women so supremely weak and victimized that we can't even be villains. . .ever? Such an offensive line of reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-47475946999318954572008-09-26T05:15:00.000-07:002008-09-26T05:15:00.000-07:00Don't forget, women aren't allowed to really want ...Don't forget, women aren't allowed to really want to be bottoms either...<BR/><BR/>pretty much, unless you are into Loving So Peacefully, you don't know what you want, have been forced, and have no clue about knowing your own mind and desires.<BR/><BR/>That is a massive erasure of not only agency, but humanity. And it's abusive bullshit.<BR/><BR/>Also real damn cowardly to lock the thread and take it friends only...as Jill B said, the only way to get heard by these people is to essentially be on your knees...<BR/><BR/>So yeah, who is the abusive dominator again?Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-82646079901292863332008-09-25T21:41:00.000-07:002008-09-25T21:41:00.000-07:00Where are the dykes indeed...?We're here, we're qu...Where are the dykes indeed...?<BR/><BR/>We're here, we're queer, and we like topping! I hate how these conversations surrounding BDSM always seem to be heterosexist. Of course I think that they would inevitably say that the desire to top was "interalized misogyny towards women" ...whatever.LaurynX.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00290604420356802954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-18767933443603927202008-09-25T17:38:00.000-07:002008-09-25T17:38:00.000-07:00Thene: Yeah, that's what puzzles me about the radf...Thene: Yeah, that's what puzzles me about the radfems. Men get to want things and like things and enjoy things; women get programmed and are inauthentic, pretty much no matter what.<BR/><BR/>I can't imagine actually ascribing to their worldview about men and women and not desperately wanting to be a man. Sexual pleasure, enjoyment looking at people, a whole world catered to you: who would be a struggling sister at all?Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-4225669912016378442008-09-25T17:00:00.000-07:002008-09-25T17:00:00.000-07:00I just don't understand the double standard.If a m...I just don't understand the double standard.<BR/><BR/>If a man wants to top, it's because it gratifies him. If a man wants to bottom, it's because it gratifies him.<BR/><BR/>And if a woman wants to do either of these things then...she doesn't really want them? Can't really get anything out of them? Can't possibly be wired in such a way to enjoy them? But either orientation is clearly feasible for a man? <BR/><BR/>What.thenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851538869806389235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-11480647608398286622008-09-25T14:10:00.000-07:002008-09-25T14:10:00.000-07:00Oh, and I found the BB thing totally nuts too. I k...Oh, and I found the BB thing totally nuts too. I know I'm not the first one to remark on this, but her tirade is just a standard fundie narrative Mad Libbed for radical feminism.<BR/><BR/>"The child is inherently misogynistic/sinful. There is an evil force (the Patriarchy/Devil) with minions (porn/demons) who will tempt him to watch porn/sin. The only path to redemption is Feminism/God, whose wisdom may be accessed by reading the inerrant criticism/Bible. But once he masturbates/sins enough, he will be a misogynistic pig/heathen, totally beyond redemption, and will eventually rape women/go to hell."<BR/><BR/>If it wasn't intentional on her part, it sure is telling.callouskittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06409213822012726025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-45940164642488577942008-09-25T13:51:00.000-07:002008-09-25T13:51:00.000-07:00In high school, a girl I was fooling around with b...In high school, a girl I was fooling around with bit me - hard - and it was really hot. I didn't know why it was sexy, and I thought it shouldn't be, but it was. I couldn't "decide" that it wasn't sexy, any more than I can decide to enjoy key lime pie (and believe me, I've tried).<BR/><BR/>Conversely, the anti-sm/anti-porn types have a subjective reaction of disgust when presented with BDSM, and then try to come up with reasons why it's objectively bad - and, moreover, that your subjective experience is somehow wrong, or that you are merely confused.<BR/><BR/>I think that's a big error in reasoning these people have. They muddle subjective experience and objective truth. And while they can't decide to be not disgusted by us and what we do, I wish some of them would stop groupthinking long enough to realize what a futile, absurd endeavor it is to try to prove BDSM is bad, let alone discredit your subjective, wonderful experiences, along with everyone else's.callouskittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06409213822012726025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-80045698812319599252008-09-25T12:36:00.000-07:002008-09-25T12:36:00.000-07:00Yeah, it was jaw-dropping to me when I first found...Yeah, it was jaw-dropping to me when I first found it, too. I always find myself stunned when I see people say that BB is a wise godmother of feminists, even the sort of radical feminist with which I totally disagree. That is just vile. There are so many ways to make rules around porn use in the house that are not that completely... well, vile and incomprehensible.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-80885614279707596212008-09-25T12:34:00.000-07:002008-09-25T12:34:00.000-07:00Re: the Biting Beaver thing - I followed your link...Re: the Biting Beaver thing - I followed your link and although I have heard it mentioned here and there I had never actually read any of that post before. I'm shocked (and very insulted that someone once mistook me for her!) - and I think she needs to seriously look at her parenting skills because that poor boy is going to be a mess if she continues like that.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, not trying to derail or anything, but reading that was just *jaw-drop* - it's a sick way to treat/speak about any human being, never mind your child. Sick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-46165782047850112342008-09-25T09:39:00.000-07:002008-09-25T09:39:00.000-07:00"Apparently the message to take home from this is ..."Apparently the message to take home from this is that women are incapable of enjoying a sexually assertive role, and the only reason they'd ever do it is because of pressure from men, and then they'd hate every second of it."<BR/><BR/>Yeah, that. I can't figure out how the hell that's supposed to be feminist, though. Isn't "women are frigid bitches but that's okay because they're just there to spit cum into anyway" classic misogyny, rather than feminism?<BR/><BR/>I don't see how you can be at all feminist about female sexuality if you reduce it to something men made them do.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-26894117076238982382008-09-25T09:36:00.000-07:002008-09-25T09:36:00.000-07:00Apparently the message to take home from this is t...Apparently the message to take home from this is that women are incapable of enjoying a sexually assertive role, and the only reason they'd ever do it is because of pressure from men, and then they'd hate every second of it.<BR/><BR/>From the "lie back and think of England" school of "Feminism".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-68853258069608202452008-09-25T09:32:00.000-07:002008-09-25T09:32:00.000-07:00Oh, yeah, pressure is an awful thing. And like I s...Oh, yeah, pressure is an awful thing. And like I said to you over at my spot, I've had people try to pressure me into topping in the way they wanted me to do it, and it sucked. So yes, I am sure that some men do pressure some women into becoming their dream "dominatrix" or whatever, and that's a bad thing.<BR/><BR/>But the way she words it suggests that actual female tops who chose it for ourselves don't exist and are just people who men have pressured who gave in, and that just *really* pisses me off. (Where are the dykes in all this, by the way?)<BR/><BR/>If she only means to limit her discussion here to women who are pressured, she shouldn't put "tops" in quotes like that. It makes it at the very least ambiguous whether she thinks there is any such thing as an authentic female top, and it definitely reads to me as more than that.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-67280935748509767532008-09-25T09:05:00.000-07:002008-09-25T09:05:00.000-07:00Wow.I find this even more offensive than the invis...Wow.<BR/><BR/>I find this even more offensive than the invisibility.<BR/><BR/>I know women who have been pressured into topping... hell, I know men who have. Pressuring anyone in any way to do ANYTHING they don't want to do in a sexual context is one hundred percent not OK. The issue there was the pressure, and if that's all she's objecting to than I agree with her. But I definitely see erasure of genuine female tops there, or of women who occasionally like to top. And it's not like we aren't invisible enough.hexyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12189529529520498603noreply@blogger.com