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Don't now, though I do think she was a driving force, and right about some things...Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-14562426931784264632008-10-05T19:29:00.000-07:002008-10-05T19:29:00.000-07:00"And fancy, people with different bodies find diff..."And fancy, people with different bodies find different things comfortable."<BR/><BR/>Startling, innit? Next thing you know you'll be telling me I'm not you.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-89167345090966292832008-10-05T17:11:00.000-07:002008-10-05T17:11:00.000-07:00Myca: well yes, because it really goes more like:...Myca: well yes, because it really goes more like:<BR/><BR/>A: I had an allergic reaction to chocolate, and yet people keep telling me how WONDERFUL it is. Once someone literally forced it down my throat! CHOCOLATE IS BAD MKAY. IT'S BAD AND BAD FOR YOU. THE TRUTH ABOUT CHOCOLATE MUST BE TRUMPETED FROM THE HILLTOPS.<BR/><BR/>B: Wow, that person sounds like a real asshole, sympathies. No one should have to eat anything that makes them sick. That said, I don't think chocolate is categorically bad; I mean the problem is the guy's -behavior-, not the chocolate itself, right? Also, I see the arguments you're making about exploitation by Hershey and cacao production and so forth, but isn't that endemic to capitalism in general? Isn't more responsible production and consuming the way to go rather than single out one product? Why chocolate? Yeah, the personal is the political, but that doesn't mean your personal is everyone's political, yanno?<BR/><BR/>A: STOP OPPRESSING ME YOU STUPID LITTLE DELUDANOID GIRL.<BR/><BR/>B: ....rrrriiiiight, actually you're kind of an asshole yourself, aren't you.<BR/><BR/>...and so on.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-83394454497907444132008-10-05T17:03:00.000-07:002008-10-05T17:03:00.000-07:00hexy: I remember that Formerly Known As Dim post a...hexy: I remember that Formerly Known As Dim post as well, quite vividly: it was the first breaking point with the Twistosphere for me, because she'd highlighted his post with admiration on her blog. Especially after I found out he was a guy and was bleating all over the place about radical feminism because of his girlfriend...my brain broke.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-76407919811649258332008-10-05T12:37:00.000-07:002008-10-05T12:37:00.000-07:00For me, being attractive to wear is a plus more th...For me, being attractive to wear is a plus more than fetishy per se, but your basic point is accurate.<BR/><BR/>And fancy, people with different bodies find different things comfortable. Oh noes!Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-76075474315156791542008-10-05T07:35:00.000-07:002008-10-05T07:35:00.000-07:00"This is only empowerfulifizing if one considers '..."This is only empowerfulifizing if one considers 'not being in persistent low-grade pain' empowerfulifizing. Mostly, I consider it 'not being in persistent low-grade pain' and that's good enough for me."<BR/><BR/>Well, and... if you're the sort who does find relief with some kind of back brace type thing, it seems to me that said brace being sexy and fetishy is a plus. I mean, if you can wander around in something that looks and feels bulky and medical, or in something that looks and feels sexy and fun, why not choose the latter?<BR/><BR/>For me personally, I tried a corset on for a matter of minutes. It was horrifically uncomfortable and I found myself wishing I hadn't walked away from the booth, because I couldn't get the thing off fast enough.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-61898490804309012362008-10-05T05:10:00.000-07:002008-10-05T05:10:00.000-07:00Dw3t-Hthr: if you ever end up getting a corset giv...Dw3t-Hthr: if you ever end up getting a corset give me a call, I know heaps of the makers and way to much about corset (I make them myself, and should be able to help) <BR/><BR/>Trinity: For bottoming corsets are great, the feeling of being constrained, and held is oh.so.hotCheshirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16948789440622799339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-63848310074105990762008-10-05T01:43:00.000-07:002008-10-05T01:43:00.000-07:00My corsets are brilliant when my scoliosis is fuck...My corsets are brilliant when my scoliosis is fucking up. Lace in, sit straight, everything's held in place. Bliss.hexyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12189529529520498603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-82482519672874584682008-10-04T23:58:00.000-07:002008-10-04T23:58:00.000-07:00I want a corset.They're so comfy and help out my s...I want a corset.<BR/><BR/>They're so comfy and help out my scoliosis.<BR/><BR/>This is only empowerfulifizing if one considers 'not being in persistent low-grade pain' empowerfulifizing. Mostly, I consider it 'not being in persistent low-grade pain' and that's good enough for me.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-6975237147364647022008-10-03T04:59:00.000-07:002008-10-03T04:59:00.000-07:00Oh, I'm old enough to understand...anyone who does...Oh, I'm old enough to understand...anyone who doesn't see it their way is wrong. Now, who sounds childish there?<BR/><BR/>"WonderWoman is Better! No, Wolverine is Better! Well, you're just WRONG!"Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-78378952859873778182008-10-02T20:56:00.000-07:002008-10-02T20:56:00.000-07:00Oh Ren, you're just not *old* enough to understand...Oh Ren, you're just not *old* enough to understand!Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-8300963616761842982008-10-02T18:37:00.000-07:002008-10-02T18:37:00.000-07:00her whole tone is patronizing.her whole tone is patronizing.Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-48069748715250137852008-10-02T15:03:00.000-07:002008-10-02T15:03:00.000-07:00"I mean, I know I'm a little unique in being a pro..."I mean, I know I'm a little unique in being a pro-Domme and performer with a background in circus, clowning and theatre, but do people REALLY not understand what a friggin' costume is?"<BR/><BR/>Exactly, Hexy. And the other thing is that, well, I so often see people bringing up 24/7 D/s, and the thing is that... yeah, there are people who consider it some sort of quest to live the roles out as closely to some really unrealistic ideal as they can, and I do think that's often, if not always, a bad idea.<BR/><BR/>But the thing is, most of the people I know (rather than, say, see on the Internet) who are into relationship D/s are a LOT more realistic about it. Daily life isn't usually all that strongly affected by the power exchange. <BR/><BR/>Especially in cases where the people don't actually live together -- and I've been noticing recently that a LOT of the very D/s type people I've met actually don't live together, sometimes by choice. It's a lot easier to be the "total slave" for two blissful hours.<BR/><BR/>And in a lot of the cases where I know people who DO live together, they live in big leatherfamilies. So... there, too... you're not going to be always and ever interacting with Master Lord Sir, because sometimes he's going to be with someone else anyway.<BR/><BR/>And that's not even getting into how much of the "Master/slave" type scene is *gay male*, rather than heterosexual. <BR/><BR/>So yeah, I still do wonder: which subcommunity was this? What were its mores? Because the vague details she gives sound more like the Internet than like anyone I've known well. (Just for the record in case someone takes this up, I do not mean by this that I think she was an onliner. I mean the dynamics she describes sound a lot like people I see online, but not like people I see in the flesh. That doesn't mean I'm asserting there was no offline group like that, just that I don't know what it would have been, if so.)Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-56731736753684500822008-10-02T08:31:00.000-07:002008-10-02T08:31:00.000-07:00Oh, one other thing I really want to pick up on:.....Oh, one other thing I really want to pick up on:<BR/><BR/><I>...we must be ignorant about how truly wonderful and sexy and enlightened their “underground” society is.</I><BR/><BR/>In my experience of the BDSM community - we don't want to be "underground". We want to be able to live without fear of persecution by the rest of mainstream society, and we are underground only as much as is necessary to prevent us from being victims of that persecution! Yes, there are some BDSMers for whom there is the "thrill of the forbidden", but there are plenty of other things that have that thrill that also do not carry the stigma (and, at least in the UK, the legal risks) of being into BDSM.<BR/><BR/>Now, I really must resist the urge to respond further...!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-6224691439580369602008-10-02T08:25:00.000-07:002008-10-02T08:25:00.000-07:00I'd love to know who they think is oppressing me i...I'd love to know who they think is oppressing me into wearing <B>my</B> corset! because, the one time I wore it during the regular day, under my regular clothes, I felt really powerful and confident in a way I didn't usually in those situations.<BR/><BR/>Or maybe this is one of those things where a man can feel powerful wearing a corset, but a woman can't? *shakes head*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-90142807686507925152008-10-01T23:14:00.000-07:002008-10-01T23:14:00.000-07:00Other people say, "This is my experience," and she...<I>Other people say, "This is my experience," and she interprets it as "Your experience isn't valid," because apparently both realities co-existing at once is just...what, not possible?</I><BR/><BR/>Right, exactly.<BR/><BR/>A: "I dislike Chocolate!"<BR/>B: "I actually like Chocolate quite a lot."<BR/>A: "STOP OPPRESSING ME!"<BR/><BR/>Just ... no.Mycahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06169534197143405966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-60532246685769879792008-10-01T23:12:00.000-07:002008-10-01T23:12:00.000-07:00Corsets are one of those things, like heels, that ...Corsets are one of those things, like heels, that I just won't talk about. I get sick of being told I'm lying about why I like them, or too stupid to actually <I>know</I> my own desires.<BR/><BR/>There's a post up at Hoyden About Town right now on shoes, and as usual the outrageous comparison pieces are ballet/pony shoes that are obviously fetish wear. I mean, I know I'm a little unique in being a pro-Domme and performer with a background in circus, clowning and theatre, but do people REALLY not understand what a friggin' costume is?hexyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12189529529520498603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-73604328099402395602008-10-01T23:07:00.000-07:002008-10-01T23:07:00.000-07:00Oh yeah, Dubhe on BDSM... yeah, I remember that to...Oh yeah, Dubhe on BDSM... yeah, I remember that too. I remember one conversation about corsets that just really confused me. I'm a female top and I don't wear the things. And the people I know who DO wear the things really like them. I'm sure someone somewhere is wearing them to please some greedy man, but... not the people I know. I'm always stunned that people are willing to pay that kind of money for a piece of clothing. I have clothes I feel sexy in too, but whoa.<BR/><BR/>And... yeah, I agree with you about BB, but I always thought it was slightly odd that she was with that guy and then she was with Dubhe, another ex-BDSMer. It made me wonder if she was still hanging around the Scene when they met, or if they met because they were both politically active against BDSM at the time, or if that was just a very odd coincidence.<BR/><BR/>I did kind of wonder when the Brandon/porn thing happened if BB had converted Dubhe, though, or if she'd set a boundary for the relationship that he'd later come to agree with. But maybe they were both radfems then who bonded over finding BDSM appalling, I don't know.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-59596684921747337592008-10-01T23:00:00.000-07:002008-10-01T23:00:00.000-07:00I distinctly remember one of those Biting Beaver t...I distinctly remember one of those Biting Beaver threads containing Dubhe saying that in his "vast" BDSM experience, he'd never come across a F/f couple where a femme was dominant to a butch.<BR/><BR/>There were quite a few other indicators that he, at least, was talking about one very distinct clique that had little in common with "the Scene" at large... but he insisted on universalising his experience, and was cheered on for it.<BR/><BR/>I had few conversations with BB about BDSM, as she was quite obviously severely traumatised from her experiences with an abusive ex who couched his abuse in BDSM terms. Frankly, I could understand why those terms were poison to her. Amananta I don't think I ever discussed this with at all.hexyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12189529529520498603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-35827479207543694862008-10-01T22:40:00.000-07:002008-10-01T22:40:00.000-07:00yes, and on BB's post -- really, what reaction...yes, and on BB's post -- really, what reaction is the acceptable one? I mean, every "sex-pos"/BDSMer/whatever I know who's seen that has ALL said "Jesus, that's horrific!" So this free floating idea that we don't care or we mock it... yeah, I don't get it.<BR/><BR/>It's like... not only are you supposed to be horrified by it but if your horror is not immediately accompanied by "and yes, every Dom everywhere is just like this guy!" you're not compassionate.<BR/><BR/>Which is you know silly considering some of the people who are reading it ARE dominant.<BR/><BR/>"oho, look, I'm just like this guy!"<BR/><BR/>except I don't think I am, and more importantly, if my partner thinks I am I've missed something HUGE & he sure can fake moaning "more!"Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-61404144812628788202008-10-01T22:35:00.000-07:002008-10-01T22:35:00.000-07:00Yeah. It's just... yeah, I have seen people want t...Yeah. It's just... yeah, I have seen people want to leave, and been like "Hey, I thought this submission thing was really important to you. Are you SURE you are re-thinking this, or are you just depressed?"<BR/><BR/>And maybe to some people's minds my saying that translates to "I'm telling you you're A FEMSUB!" or something, when what I mean is "Hey, you okay? That doesn't sound like something you would say, so... are you OK with telling me what's wrong?"<BR/><BR/>So yes, I've *worrried* about friends who left -- and I'd really actually like to see if I can find one again just to *ask* her what prompted it, because it really shocked me. But that's not because I know what's best for them.<BR/><BR/>That's because some kinky people "binge and purge," toss out everything, when they're depressed. When I see a friend all of a sudden go "I'm not a 'sub!'" my reaction is "Are you OK, or are you purging because of depression? I'm here for you either way, but if you're purging I will tell you I think you're fine the way you were and that if that's what makes you happy you don't need to give it up."Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-73415047453127243302008-10-01T22:32:00.000-07:002008-10-01T22:32:00.000-07:00well, it'd be a bit hypocritical I suppose, speaki...well, it'd be a bit hypocritical I suppose, speaking of boundaries: I don't really know what's going on there. But yeah, I've been worried and angry just from what I've read. <BR/><BR/>You know, it's funny, she and others keep going back to Biting Beaver and her own screed (similar in tone and...stuff) and why were people just ignoring that, and again...no, point missed, really, but--o, look, a pigeon. -wanders off-<BR/><BR/>Just, in general: the idea that a) people who've been abused cannot turn around and become abusers in their own right, or specifically b) especially if those people are women and especially especially if the abused are male (or even deemed "not real women") is also a very large part of What's Wrong With This Picture.<BR/><BR/>because it ain't true. at all.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-30714798487753624462008-10-01T22:29:00.001-07:002008-10-01T22:29:00.001-07:00well, that right there would be the boundaries thi...well, that right there would be the boundaries thing, wouldn't it. It's backasswards. Other people say, "This is my experience," and she interprets it as "Your experience isn't valid," because apparently both realities co-existing at once is just...what, not possible? <BR/><BR/>I mean, I don't doubt someone's said shit like "there's something wrong with you if you -don't- enjoy x," (which, yes, would be abusive), but trin is not one of the people I've ever read saying any such thing/belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.com