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Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-76593420139771410592010-10-02T08:10:27.189-07:002010-10-02T08:10:27.189-07:00Enjoy reading your posts!Interesting post.need pic...Enjoy reading your posts!Interesting post.need pics with post for great visitor.<br />click here to see more :<br /><a href="http://www.sensual4u.com" rel="nofollow"> bedroom fun</a>sensual4unoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-45676953988466208612009-03-19T01:32:00.000-07:002009-03-19T01:32:00.000-07:00Hello Trinity, I'm really enjoying reading your bl...Hello Trinity, <BR/>I'm really enjoying reading your blog, the first on this topic that I have ever seen. I actually just wrote my master thesis (psychology) about the identity development of homosexual, and I sorta stumbled in to some of the same "issues" that you have. In psychological litterature, there is, more or less, no raised fingers about the ethics of being gay, but there's a lot of shouting from different rooftops about the naturalness of the thing. You know, "It's all genes!" "No! it's all created through discourse!" basically. I actually seem to be the only one to have considered both points of views (and many others, such as Freud). It's funny how simple it seems, to simply not consider one view the view of GOD, but to look at more than one side of the elephant. The positive thing to come of it all, is that I have been asked to do a ph.d. (if I can find support elsewhere) because of this (I know, it really does seem rather banal, but there you go), and I'm hoping to be able to do it on BDSM (my own kink).. so there's hope, at least, if they will grate me so high, just for not being onesided. <BR/>It's also nice not to be alone and kinky :)<BR/>I'm looking forward to following your blogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-43520755778429873322009-03-10T19:02:00.000-07:002009-03-10T19:02:00.000-07:00Excellent points made. Thanks for reposting it. Th...Excellent points made. Thanks for reposting it. That's the promlem with any politicized research. The researcher comes back with the client's conclusions almost invariably.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-57331903490201890672009-03-04T19:42:00.000-08:002009-03-04T19:42:00.000-08:00Alci: I'm not sure what got Jenn riled up where, a...Alci: I'm not sure what got Jenn riled up where, as I'm having trouble following the half threaded and half unthreaded discussion.<BR/><BR/>What I was referring to, if that's what you're asking, was the anti-SM feminist writings from the '80s like the articles in _Against Sadomasochism_, which were even more "this is obviously patriarchy" and "consent is necessarily vitiated in a bad society" as most of the stuff anti-SM feminists come up with nowadays.<BR/><BR/>I was basically saying I haven't seen substantial changes in the theory in thirty years, and I tend to think that worthwhile analyses get expanded or revised over time.<BR/><BR/>Not knowing what she actually said, though, I'm not sure if this helps or not. Does it?Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-67194013022677386572009-03-04T17:10:00.000-08:002009-03-04T17:10:00.000-08:00Hwy, Trin, could you explain to me why the "bad th...Hwy, Trin, could you explain to me why the "bad theory from the 80s" comment got Jenn so riled up? I've got a feeling I'm missing something here.Alcibiadeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980833765885047405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-64465015333594374072009-03-03T12:00:00.000-08:002009-03-03T12:00:00.000-08:00Alci: That's the sticking point. I'm not sure. I'm...Alci: That's the sticking point. I'm not sure. I'm just not at all comfortable with a lot of the consequentialist reasoning I see people use out there.<BR/><BR/>I mean, I've been told to my face (OK, to my type) that the fetus that became me should have been aborted... so yeah, makes things look a little mmmmm *interesting* to me, I guess.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-23115390129678798832009-03-03T11:49:00.000-08:002009-03-03T11:49:00.000-08:00Do you think that there's room for a consequential...Do you think that there's room for a consequentialism that allows the level of suffering or happiness to be subjectively defined by the individual without imposing a hierarchy of goods that Mill outlines?Alcibiadeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980833765885047405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-49105146515067488572009-03-03T11:29:00.000-08:002009-03-03T11:29:00.000-08:00(Throw in the standard bits and bobs about Singer ...(Throw in the standard bits and bobs about Singer and newborns here, too, though I don't think most consequentialists are nearly so... lacking in good sense.)Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-8049655401386618912009-03-03T11:28:00.000-08:002009-03-03T11:28:00.000-08:00Alci: In short, I think it because it leads direct...Alci: <BR/><BR/>In short, I think it because it leads directly to the whole sets of assumptions about people with disabilities having a poor "quality of life" and living "lives of suffering" that lead to ill-thought-out selective abortions, murders by exasperated parents that get written off as "mercy killings" to "spare people suffering," etc.<BR/><BR/>As well as allowed the Nazis to begin their extermination projects. Think of the propaganda: <I>Ballastexistenz.</I><I>Lebensunwertes Leben</I>.<BR/><BR/>Not that I think every consequentialist is a Nazi -- far from it -- but for me, knowing those sorts of lines of thinking were used to justify and excuse things like Aktion T4 makes it impossible for me to be anything less than profoundly uneasy with someone adopting an ethical system that <I>fundamentally relies</I> on quantifying others' suffering for them.<BR/><BR/>My suffering is mine just as my rights are mine, and none of anyone else's business unless I make it so.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-88141785218592183732009-03-03T11:14:00.000-08:002009-03-03T11:14:00.000-08:00Yo, Trin:You said something interesting over at ND...Yo, Trin:<BR/><BR/>You said something interesting over at ND's that leads me somewhere off topic, so I thought I'd ask it here. How do you think consequentialism leads to something like ableism? What is your personal philosophy, and how does it deal with those objections?<BR/><BR/>If you want to take the discussion another place, either your blog or mine, or to e-mail, because this will distract from discussion of this post, feel free.Alcibiadeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980833765885047405noreply@blogger.com