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Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-22597315934997651042012-07-26T13:03:57.842-07:002012-07-26T13:03:57.842-07:00This won't succeed as a matter of fact, that&#...This won't succeed as a matter of fact, that's exactly what I consider.sitehttp://lms.auaf.edu.af/user/view.php?id=21772&course=1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-48462621721217299812008-10-15T14:53:00.000-07:002008-10-15T14:53:00.000-07:00And I kink on heirarchy, think "fair" (or "unfair"...And I kink on heirarchy, think "fair" (or "unfair") is a ludicrous notion to apply to relationships in the contexts most people try it in, and consider humiliation a good reason to throw someone out of the house on their arse and change the locks.<BR/><BR/>I would say my kinks differ, yes.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-4948707079968092542008-10-15T08:30:00.000-07:002008-10-15T08:30:00.000-07:00And where you get that I don't think unfairness is...And where you get that I don't think unfairness is hot I've zero idea. I am not usually (with occasional exception) turned on by egalitarian stuff very much. I think if you compared my sex life to what society considers "fair" relations between a man and woman, you'd see this extremely clearly.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-36672387149511975032008-10-15T08:26:00.000-07:002008-10-15T08:26:00.000-07:00Anonymous,Honestly, I'm not really sure why you fe...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Honestly, I'm not really sure why you feel that we're making BDSM sexuality sound too safe, when the excerpt you add to the conversation yourself is one of how "bitch," "slut," and "whore" aren't really degrading to you. That comment strikes me as precisely in line with what we're saying, honestly.<BR/><BR/>If you're interested in proof that I have a dark side, I suppose I could ask you how much Spookiness Cred I get for things <A HREF="http://trinityva.livejournal.com/313036.html" REL="nofollow">like this</A>, or some of my stories about bloody Dantean revenge on rapists. *shrug* I can't say they're really the point of this particular blog, though.<BR/><BR/>I still have absolutely no idea why calling someone a dog is degrading, though. I've never been able to figure that one out.<BR/><BR/>To me, a collar and leash are as much visible signs of someone else's fealty -- his long-term devotion to and service to me -- as they are anything else. If that makes me too clean for you, I really don't mind. But I'd rather have fealty and devoted service AND rough kink than "hahahaha you're a dog!" or something. Service is something I need to be fulfilled; people liking erotic pain (A LOT) is something I need to be fulfilled. If those aren't mean enough for you, well, I'd say first of all that you've never seen how hard I punch, but after that I'd just shrug. I'm hardcore enough for me; others really don't count.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-5869927776441431282008-10-14T21:43:00.000-07:002008-10-14T21:43:00.000-07:00Re, degredation, I'll go ahead and post a snip...Re, degredation, I'll go ahead and post a snippet from my blog:<BR/><BR/>"Socrates and I have been discussing adding insults to our sexual repertoire. The odd thing is, it's not really a desire to be insulted, much as the desire for pain isn't really a desire to be hurt. If he honestly insulted me on something I was actually insecure about- on my inability to bring him to orgasm more than once in our meetings a few weeks ago, say - it would definitely be hurtful, and probably not even arousing. But call me slut or whore - despite the fact that the insults are almost completely inapplicable to me; I was a virgin before Socrates, after all - and I turn into a submissive puddle of mush. And there's a really odd space where "bitch" evokes all the positive, safe places of submission and control without anything that makes me insecure. Much of BDSM activity, especially in the more cerebral parts of it, consists in evoking all of the positive emotions concerned with these usually negative phenomena without straying into negativity."<BR/><BR/>http://physicalsophistry.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-07-13T07%3A02%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=7 (obligatory pimpage)<BR/><BR/>I'll also say here that some of the posts here strike me as unnecessarily whitewashing this sexuality. I'm not sure- perhaps our sexualities simply differ. But still, the fact is, I kink on heirarchy. Unfairness is hot. And yeah, I kink on humiliation too. All those posts about how we're actually equal, how wearing a collar can mean so many different things, rings hollow to me. I'm here because I adore power exchange dynamics and because being lead around on a leash makes me feel like a dog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-3556814720276836302008-10-07T16:58:00.000-07:002008-10-07T16:58:00.000-07:00erm, when I said "no sensation," obviously don't t...erm, when I said "no sensation," obviously don't take that literally. I mean some people don't have tolerance for or interest in pain play. There are probably some people who aren't interested in touch at all, but that's not what I meant...belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-2577019001687815492008-10-07T16:56:00.000-07:002008-10-07T16:56:00.000-07:00"If it’s about the sensations then why is there al...<I>"If it’s about the sensations then why is there all the ritualised song-and-dance around it? Why the conformity of costumes, settings, roles, rituals</I><BR/><BR/>As per conformity: you know... every subculture has its rituals, costumes, settings, etc. Including radical feminism, or at least subsets of it; ever been to a women's music festival or campout? <BR/><BR/>Or, you know, for that matter: science fiction fandom? Sports bars? A boys' nightclub or brunch spot in Chelsea?...<BR/><BR/>As per BDSM specifically: some of that is about -some- people fetishizing the theatre aspect of it. I love costumes and setting and so on myself, as a drama person, although personally I don't necessarily always gravitate toward the stereotyped dungeons-and-chains hooha. There's a lot more variety and creativity than you would think, if you take the time to look and actually ask people what they really like.<BR/><BR/>Some is about D/s, sure, the power aspects. Trin talked about the differentiation between that and the pure sensation. Some like sensation play and no D/s. Some like D/s and no sensation. Some people are fetishists and aren't particularly into either over power play or pain play. And some people like it all.<BR/><BR/>And finally, back to my first point, some of what you see of the "scene" is about community, for better and for worse.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-85391300029395606772008-10-07T16:48:00.000-07:002008-10-07T16:48:00.000-07:00Because that honestly just sounds like you want th...<I>Because that honestly just sounds like you want the theory around so you can tsk-tsk at people, rather than that you're actually using the theory to fuel actions based on feminist principles.</I><BR/><BR/>isn't that just basically Twisty's entire blog?belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-79069393473013736652008-10-06T01:17:00.000-07:002008-10-06T01:17:00.000-07:00Yeah, I can see about keeping this focused on BDSM...Yeah, I can see about keeping this focused on BDSM and all. And for the most part, I haven't seen radfems really wanting to go the legal route there, though I actually have seen that too in a few cases.<BR/><BR/>But it does gall me to see the whole radfem critique around sexuality being passed off as an anti-authoritarian/anti-hierarchy thing, when there's some other stuff they advocate that so flies in the face of that.<BR/><BR/>Not to mention the perception that this is just a shouting match that started in 2005 where people started being real big meanies to the radfems. No, there's some history here, and I would suggest that radfems played their end of it extremely aggressively and in ways that went way beyond name calling. If newly-minted radfems want to know where the dislike and trash-talking about radfems by many (including myself) on the sex-poz side comes from, that's the answer.<BR/><BR/>If one is going to identify with a particular movement, they're going to have to learn to own the historical legacy that they've taken on (even if its a matter of distancing oneself from past excesses), even if they weren't part of the original debate. I'd say the same thing about people who identify as Marxist-Leninist, or neo-Fascist, or whatever.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-46344171730159128032008-10-05T20:29:00.000-07:002008-10-05T20:29:00.000-07:00IACB: Fair enough. I do think I've seen some stran...IACB: Fair enough. I do think I've seen some strange things out of various people when push comes to shove. But, well, we do have someone here who is behaving respectfully and sounding fairly neutral, and I personally didn't think it wise to jump at her with "But why are people like you for legal sanction on porn?"<BR/><BR/>But, well, that is a conversation worth having, too -- particularly the conversation about how some radical feminists say things like "Pornography is rape on camera" and then say "No one is trying to take your DVDs away." I don't get that one either, and I do think that you're right that in a lot of cases radical feminists do support legal sanction anyway (or worse/weirder, like the vandalism Charliegrrl used to do or Nikki Craft does, or some of the violent events you talk about happening back in the day.)<BR/><BR/>But I'd like to keep this discussion focused primarily on BDSM, actually.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-55806586461670827852008-10-05T20:19:00.000-07:002008-10-05T20:19:00.000-07:00I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to me that t...I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem to me that the majority of radical feminists break with the idea of legal sanctions against porn. Among UK radfems, they don't even mince words – many of those people say outright, they're for censorship of porn, probably because there isn't as strong a free speech tradition in the UK (and the Commonwealth countries in general).<BR/><BR/>There may very well be some radical feminists who dismiss the legislative approach as just more misguided liberal legalism, but considering how venerated MacKinnon is among that crowd (and she's the main force pushing for such a legal strategy, after all), I'm not so sure. <BR/><BR/>And the ones I've seen rejecting this kind of legal strategy have been people like Nikki Craft who have advocated even more problematic forms of direct action.<BR/><BR/>I would hope that most radical feminists would distance themselves from stuff like beating SM women up with crowbars, like actually happened back in the 1980s, but typically that's dealt with by conveniently forgetting it ever happened.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-82437078959367024212008-10-05T19:59:00.000-07:002008-10-05T19:59:00.000-07:00"Why, then, do radfems seem to take the advocate p..."Why, then, do radfems seem to take the advocate punitive legal sanctions as a strategy for social change? The most blatant example would be the recent UK "extreme porn" bill, which criminalizes (with imprisonment, no less) possession of vaguely-defined "extreme" imagery in porn. This law has been extremely popular with UK radfems, and in fact, was in part authored by radfem Catherine Itzin."<BR/><BR/>IACB, while I think you're right that many radical feminists aren't as careful to distance themselves from legal sanctions as many claim (Demonista has said she'd like to see the MacKinnon/Dworkin ordinance become civil law), I do think there are many who would call legal action "liberal feminism", too.<BR/><BR/>In this post I was assuming that they're actually NOT usually in favor of legal sanctions, actually, and asking "Hey, if you don't want BDSM (or porn) to be made illegal, what do you want, socially?"Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-68333891244187281862008-10-05T19:55:00.000-07:002008-10-05T19:55:00.000-07:00"*We* know it's there, and if *you* know it's ther..."*We* know it's there, and if *you* know it's there you might notice things like a snuggle with his hand on the back of my neck or something, but the only title that's liable to be overheard by anyone else is "You're strange, sir.""<BR/><BR/>The oddest thing people might notice about Monkey and I is me ordering food for both of us in restaurants. (Usually, I don't choose for him, and only do the ordering. Technically, I could choose what he eats, though.) You wouldn't believe the double takes one gets when one orders for someone who is both older and male. Which I find really interesting from a feminist perspective, actually.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-86550736576959453942008-10-05T18:10:00.000-07:002008-10-05T18:10:00.000-07:00The irritating thing about someone wearing a colla...<I>The irritating thing about someone wearing a collar, to me, is that it means I can't touch, kiss, or bite their neck as easily.</I><BR/><BR/>My liege has mentioned more than once that that's the one drawback to it. ;)Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-77707622116435560432008-10-05T17:36:00.000-07:002008-10-05T17:36:00.000-07:00The contention that radical feminism stand outside...The contention that radical feminism stand outside of power, and are critiquing BDSM, porn, etc, from a position that's critical of hierarchy, authoritarianism, etc simply rings hollow to me. <BR/><BR/>Why, then, do radfems seem to take the advocate punitive legal sanctions as a strategy for social change? The most blatant example would be the recent UK "extreme porn" bill, which criminalizes (with imprisonment, no less) possession of vaguely-defined "extreme" imagery in porn. This law has been extremely popular with UK radfems, and in fact, was in part authored by radfem Catherine Itzin.<BR/><BR/>Here's <A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/01/civilliberties.gender" REL="nofollow">a <I>Guardian</I> "Comment is Free" article</A> by Bidisha, a self proclaimed anti-porn feminist (I don't know if she identifies as radical feminist or not) that says artistic censorship would be just great and contains a rather blood curdling quote:<BR/><BR/><I>"If sexist male artists and anti-feminist female artists are penalised for brainlessly fetishing female pain, then that's all to the good."</I><BR/><BR/>Similarly the Dworkin/MacKinnon ordinance that was proposed in the US a while back contained language that would have allowed any woman to sue anybody who produced a piece of art that she could argue was pornography and caused her offense, "in the name of all women".<BR/><BR/>What I'd like to know, is how are proposals such as this are not very real attempts at power relationships of the worst kind? And not the symbolic, consensual kind practiced in BDSM, either. To get rid of the vestiges of hierarchy and power, even symbolic power, one gets behind <I>censorship</I>, in collusion with the State? The contradiction is GLARING, and it amazes me that radical feminists have got through, what, 30 years now of anti-porn theory and organizing and not dealt with that basic contradiction.iacbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08267608319896053702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-32038297618801755632008-10-05T15:10:00.000-07:002008-10-05T15:10:00.000-07:00"Also: my neck is one of my most highly erogenous ..."Also: my neck is one of my most highly erogenous zones. Being collared means a consistent low-level stimulation in a way that reinforces the d/s."<BR/><BR/>*nodsnods*<BR/><BR/>The irritating thing about someone wearing a collar, to me, is that it means I can't touch, kiss, or bite their neck as easily.<BR/><BR/>But yeah, it's very hot to me as a sign of the relationship. I mean, the obvious domination and submission bits are sexy to me in themselves, but it's also kind of like someone wearing a wedding ring in a sense. Not that the commitment is THAT serious, but "hey, everyone here can see a token of the commitment" where that's not plain and everyday like a ring, but a piece of fetish gear (or, if it's not obvious to most people, it's at least obvious to me and the other person.) So once again, to me that's sexy.<BR/><BR/>"My liege and I out in public on a typical day look like a snuggly nerd couple."<BR/><BR/>Same.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-25720917858886380452008-10-05T15:02:00.000-07:002008-10-05T15:02:00.000-07:00What makes it D/s is the way it's imbued with ritu...<I>What makes it D/s is the way it's imbued with ritual: suddenly, the laundry or the dishes aren't some chore that simply needs to be done, but something that has a sexy meaning or a personal meaning: It's done as a service.</I><BR/><BR/>That was what I was trying to get across, I just didn't quite put the right words together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-34549682065260449742008-10-05T14:53:00.000-07:002008-10-05T14:53:00.000-07:00Collars are a little complicated. Some people use ...<I>Collars are a little complicated. Some people use them to signal that they're interested in bottoming, some use them to indicate that they "belong to someone" for the night (that they're not available to play with someone else), and many, especially in more D/s oriented circles, use them to indicate that they are in a long-term partnership with someone.</I><BR/><BR/>Also: my neck is one of my most highly erogenous zones. Being collared means a consistent low-level stimulation in a way that reinforces the d/s.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, my collar isn't exactly fetishy. I showed a friend who knows I'm a sub a photo of me at my liege's wedding, and he said, "ooh, nice collar", and when I told him it was my d/s collar he was horribly embarassed. (Kink makes him blush.) It's a pretty strip of embossed blue leather, perfectly decorative as a choker or whatever.<BR/><BR/>All the fetishy high protocol and kinky wear and whatever mostly seem to me to be either 'in the public scene' things or stuff that people tend to do privately; I don't play the stereotype, the d/s lesbian couple I know don't play the stereotype, it just ... doesn't have anything to do with how our lives appear.<BR/><BR/>My liege and I out in public on a typical day look like a snuggly nerd couple. A couple of casually dressed thirty-year-olds with glasses razzing each other, having weird esoteric conversations full of gesticulation, and holding hands. The notion that the d/s is highly visible ... doesn't work. *We* know it's there, and if *you* know it's there you might notice things like a snuggle with his hand on the back of my neck or something, but the only title that's liable to be overheard by anyone else is "You're strange, sir."<BR/><BR/>Which is more Marcie and Peppermint Patty than obvious d/s.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-30987532099480857922008-10-05T13:27:00.000-07:002008-10-05T13:27:00.000-07:00But what actually made it BDSM, apart from you ide...<I>But what actually made it BDSM, apart from you identifying yourself as a BDSMer? I am genuinely interested to know.</I><BR/><BR/>I kink for a support and service role; this is a consistent portion of my personality as a whole (I made a kickass legal secretary but I'd be an awful lawyer) rather than being the role-swap thing that some people do.<BR/><BR/>I am not a "bedroom sub" by nature, someone who only runs this process behind closed doors. (Though my relationship with my husband has occasional bedroom kink moments because we're both kinky people, that relationship is not a BDSM relationship.) If I am in service, I am <I>in service</I>.<BR/><BR/>Which means things like, when I know to expect my liege over I put on the kettle so he can have tea. When he has a carpentry project, I fetch and carry and do minor unskilled tasks. I support and challenge his religious development. Not because I get off on these things, but because they are a manifestation of the commitment to love and service that also happens to involve happy pervy sex.<BR/><BR/>"Bedroom kink" can scratch an itch for me, but it's not satisfying.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-48750667836675456862008-10-05T13:25:00.000-07:002008-10-05T13:25:00.000-07:00Trinity- It's silly, which is kinda cool.Trinity- It's silly, which is kinda cool.Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-16893391495901709152008-10-05T12:43:00.000-07:002008-10-05T12:43:00.000-07:00But yeah, I do wonder why when I have a look at an...But yeah, I do wonder why when I have a look at anti-porn commentary I rarely see people talking about Pirates, given its wild popularity.<BR/><BR/>Heck, I still need to SEE Pirates, actually. I always thought it looked interesting.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-31993299898139132662008-10-05T12:41:00.000-07:002008-10-05T12:41:00.000-07:00Thanks for coming in with that, Ren. :)And yeah, e...Thanks for coming in with that, Ren. :)<BR/><BR/>And yeah, even among the supposed "pro-pornies" there was a wide range of reactions to Max Hardcore's obscenity conviction.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-760704342202547222.post-64728332562734524722008-10-05T12:24:00.000-07:002008-10-05T12:24:00.000-07:00This Rad Fem:You know, I am with you on offering a...This Rad Fem:<BR/><BR/>You know, I am with you on offering an alternative form or view of sexuality to women if they want it. I think that’s great, actually. If anything, I wish every woman in the world who was interested in having sex found a way to do so that she was totally comfortable with and enjoyed and worked for her on every level. That, in short, would be absolutely wonderful.<BR/><BR/>Whether she chose to have totally egalitarian sex with her partner(s), or engage in extreme BDSM, or anything in between with other consenting adults. <BR/><BR/>So yes, I am all for alternatives being out there…so women have a wider variety of choices and can find and not be shamed for what suits them best…whatever end of the spectrum that happens to be on.<BR/><BR/>You also realize that gonzo porn and BDSM as practiced by whatever consenting adults in their own lives are two totally different things, yes? One is a performance done for film and payment and the other is not. In someone’s bedroom with a consenting partner, there is no financial motivation. What happens in the bedrooms of most people in the world, regardless of what they are into, is probably very different from porn in a whole lot of ways, financial motivation being merely one of them. Be that as it may…<BR/><BR/>Gonzo style sex, on or off film, can absolutely be SSC. Just as any other kind of sex can be. It can also be not SSC, same as any other kind of sex can be. To suggest it is more often not SSC than any other kind of sex is presumptive, and makes entirely too many assumptions. Because something might look unhinged or whatever else to a person does not mean it is.<BR/><BR/>And once again with Max Hardcore. Judging all of gonzo porn and those who make gonzo porn by Max Hardcore is a bit like judging all radical feminists by…er…Kyle Payne. Max Hardcore is one man, who makes the absolutely hardest sort of gonzo out there, which appeals to a very specific and not exactly huge audience. He’s infamous, but does he have the kind of clout or make the sort of money or hold the sort of popularity that the directors over at Evil Angel do? No, not at all. Max Hardcore does not have near the following that say, John Stagliano, Belladonna, Jules Jordon, Rocco Siffredi, or Harmony Rose has. He does not make near the money they do, nor is he as representative of “typical gonzo” as they are. It’s unfair and misrepresentative to judge all gonzo by him, or all porn by gonzo. It wasn’t any Max Hardcore film, or even any gonzo film, that holds the title most popular and highest grossing porn film ever…that honor belongs to “Pirates”- a high budget, slick, somewhat campy couples film packed with highly paid contract performers- yet no one on the anti porn side seems to want to acknowledge that. "Pirates" is far more indicative of what the majority of porn views are watching and wanting than anything Max Hardcore makes...and the truth of that is proved by it's financial success.Renegade Evolutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17905949172886730262noreply@blogger.com